VAtoGA on 5/21/2009 4:48:10 PM wrote:
Vick found Jesus according to a "Family Spokesperson". Who knew Jesus was in Leavenworth! If that low life is allowed to play ball again just what kind of message does that send to our youth? WWJD?
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Walker on 12/15/2008 3:46:33 PM wrote:
Hokies win the ACC AGAIN!
Where are you Bill Brill?
Eat Crow.
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Walker on 12/8/2008 5:33:13 PM wrote:
First, Michael Vick is an idiot.
But, being an idiot doesn't mean you should spend the rest of your life in jail or being made to pay $100 million either.
Vick has served enough time. Let it go. He has given up more than many rapists and other violent criminals. For DOG-fighting. Give me a break.
I like dogs as much as the next guy, but his punishment was over the top. On top of that, The guy has lost close to $100 million solely because of who he is. Crazy.
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esserville on 6/4/2008 10:21:48 PM wrote:
Michael who????? Duh....Who is that?
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StephenAnderson on 1/31/2008 7:37:26 AM wrote:
Virginia (11-8, 1-5 ACC)
nice team...
Great time to be a UVA fan...
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GeorgiaBoy on 1/4/2008 10:25:57 AM wrote:
Beamer's bowl record---6&9....NO BCS wins...Tech is not a top 10 team..Top 25 team for sure...over-hyped...most definitley....I find it interesting that this newspaper..when Tech wins..devotes mega pages...but when they lose...you sure as heck won't find it front page news..much less over a page and a half in the sports section....but when they win....it almost encompassses the entire sports section! Nice balance there Roanoke Times. Hopefully your new owners will hire some better sports writers.
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StephenAnderson on 1/4/2008 9:33:43 AM wrote:
Tech blows another big game.
The state of Virginia is home to the 2 biggest choke artists in D1 college football.
Between UVA and VT, there aren't enough EMT's that know the heimlich to help.
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StephenAnderson on 1/3/2008 11:22:49 AM wrote:
Nice game vs Texas Tech.
Great time to be a UVA fan.
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StephenAnderson on 12/16/2007 4:09:15 PM wrote:
Beamer could do a better job of disciplining his team. The amount of incidents they get into is ridiculous. But you know what I don't think he is trashing people anonymously on the internet. Unlike the UVA fan who wants to focus on the negative. I would have thought Jefferson's school would have taught better values. Guess not. It's all a farce.
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GeorgiaBoy on 12/14/2007 1:11:43 PM wrote:
( Yawn! ) M. Vick...yesterdays news fellas....time to move on until about 20 months from now when this low-life, sub-average former QB gets ready for release.
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StephenAnderson on 12/13/2007 2:17:55 PM wrote:
Typical no class UVA fan. Vick is a despicable thug but I don't wish physical harm on another human being like you do. You are no better than Vick. UVA fans are just elitists hypocrites. Like school on Saturday, NO CLASS...
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ziranthia on 12/12/2007 3:02:38 PM wrote:
I question Vick's accomplishments. He has been given a lot in life, and let's face it, he ain't that good. His fame and fortune have been nothing but a license to act like a thug from Tidewater. Look at Marcus. A thug from Tidewater. Anyway, who says humans are more important than dogs. A dog loves unconditionally, protects and serves, and only needs food to stay alive. To torture an innocent dog for pleasure is sick. Just like certain people, who have Dobermans and Pitbulls that are mean, and it gives the owner pleasure to think that his dog hates the same people as himself. People who don't look like he does.
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StephenAnderson on 12/12/2007 2:48:53 PM wrote:
"but when it boils down to it, its a dog. you cannot compare that to a persons life and accomplishments."
Absolutely, that's why he only got 2 years in prison. If he had tortured and killed humans, he would be on death row.
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StephenAnderson on 12/12/2007 1:58:05 PM wrote:
I agree that what Vick did was utterly disgusting and he deserves everything he got. He should be thankful he only got 2 years.
To those that say "it was just dogs", shame on you. Speaks to how much respect you have for life.
Let me ask this. If Vick had burned down a house, how much time would he have gotten? BUT it was just a house!!!
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ziranthia on 12/11/2007 8:04:06 PM wrote:
One slips occasionally, Stephen. I will have to be more mindful. This topic however, is a touchy one for me. I have followed Vick's disgrace from the beginning, and hoped for the worst punishment. There is no excuse for his actions, and there is no excuse for anyone coming to his defense, regardless of race, gender, fan, or whatever. Had Tom Brady been convicted of the same thing, I have a feeling that the earlier post would have been slightly different. Ya know, Boo? Oh, I'm loving Atlanta, and am proud to say that Vick has his enemies here as well. There are animal lovers everywhere, and even football doesn't stop that. I still don't like collards, though. LOL
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StephenAnderson on 12/11/2007 7:28:02 PM wrote:
Ziranthia, still trolling around I see.
Your dig at people on the roanoke message board and rednecks was lame and speaks to your character. Oh, btw, aren't you a regular on these boards? what does that make you???
Your "GIRLFRIEND" comment smacks of racism also.
I thought you had matured but time and time again you revert to your trolling ways. What a shame when you do have some interesting points to make at times.
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Justafan on 12/11/2007 4:03:01 PM wrote:
I think Michael Vick did deserve what he got, but I also hope he can get a second chance and make something of his life. I am a dog lover, but not a redneck. I also don't think Michael would have gotten as much time if he had been a little more honest. He lied to everyone: his owner, the league commissioner and to all of the fans during the NFL draft. He only told the truth because his boys who he thought had his back turned against him. I am curious as to where Marcus was during all of this. He and Mike were close, you know he had to have known what was going on. We may have never known about any of this if Mike's cousin hadn't got caught with weed and listed the dog fighting house as his home address. Gotta be carful who you trust.
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ziranthia on 12/11/2007 3:12:30 PM wrote:
GIRLFRIEND, you have lost your mind. Get your act together, please.
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misstee2ux3 on 12/11/2007 2:24:41 PM wrote:
but when it boils down to it, its a dog. you cannot compare that to a persons life and accomplishments. by the way i guess since i drink can budweiser and love flannell and drive a ford and lOVE green bay packers for years makes me a huge redncek.
By the way I'm a 30 year old college educated married with children black female that prefers rock over rap. i only sharedy opinion and you assumed i was a redneck, says alot about you my friend.
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misstee2ux3 on 12/11/2007 2:24:24 PM wrote:
but when it boils down to it, its a dog. you cannot compare that to a persons life and accomplishments. by the way i guess since i drink can budweiser and love flannell and drive a ford and lOVE green bay packers for years makes me a huge redncek.
By the way I'm a 30 year old college educated married with children black female that prefers rock over rap. i only sharedy opinion and you assumed i was a redneck, says alot about you my friend.
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misstee2ux3 on 12/11/2007 2:20:24 PM wrote:
for one he has to give back 20,000,000.00 so please put all your zeros in the correct place. roanoke is not redneck and for you to make such a assumption shows your ignorance. i am only saying you cannot punish a person forever. they took everything from him down to his dignity. and yes he made a foolish mistake but he like anyone desreve second chances. what does football have to do with dogs? nonething not one thing, but you rather see a person lose their life or sense of purpose over something that was as common as cock fighting? i have a dog and i love her, but i treat her as a pet. i feed her play with her and she in returns barks at every moving thing. now if she die i would be hurt but i'm going to be crazed over it. pets are great
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ziranthia on 12/11/2007 12:46:55 PM wrote:
misstee2ux3, what do you mean "only dogs". That is a very redneck thing to say. But let's face it, you are on a Roanoke message board, so I will just consider the source. For your information, Michael Vick will never play football again. Right about now, he and some of the brothers are playing pocketpool. The Falcons are attempting to get $2,000,000 back from Michael Vick, and he doesn't have the money to pay them. Too bad. I am very disappointed that Vick didn't get the full five years. He deserves every single day of it. When you say that a dog doesn't matter, because it is only a dog, that is offensive. You obviously don't have a dog or any other pet, which is best for the animal anyway. Have fun in nowhere.
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misstee2ux3 on 12/11/2007 11:10:18 AM wrote:
this contiuned from my last post. i hope they let him back in the NFL because no matter what anyone says everyone deserves a second chance and to redeem himself. i suggest he get new friends thhough and remain positive. He's a heck of a football player and by all the support person and friend.
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misstee2ux3 on 12/11/2007 11:08:23 AM wrote:
ok what he did was wrong but let's face facts it was only dogs. if you read the bible it says animanls are below man because they have no souls and it also says not to eat pig or any three holve animals( i may have spelled that wrong). but my point is we all do wrong, but this man contributed to so many good things and never had as much as a parking ticket in his life. granted he was stupid for letting a thug be his finacial advisor, but he was "keeping it real" although it was REALLY dumb. then they said months ago they would put the dogs down yet he had to give 950,000 to to care for the dogs. now what dog you know takes 950,000 to care for? if they were that viscous why not put them down? the man has been punishd enough i hope they let
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GeorgiaBoy on 12/10/2007 11:12:04 AM wrote:
23 months. Well I guess justice has been served. Now I hope that the NFL sticks him with a years' suspension AFTER he is released from the pokey.
Hopefully we won't see the likes of Vick again in the NFL.
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Justafan on 12/4/2007 9:24:04 PM wrote:
I think you've found something BigHoosFan and I can agree on......You're wrong!!! Any culture that supports mistreating children and animals is one that needs to change.
And yes, I know you're being sarcastic.
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bamboo on 12/4/2007 7:34:03 AM wrote:
To Justafan and Bighoosfan:
Where is your sensitivity in regard to the Vicks and Sampson? Don't you understand that it's a "cultural thang".
You should be more sensitive.
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Justafan on 12/3/2007 5:34:55 PM wrote:
BigHoosFan: You may not care about football but the ACC and it's member schools (except for Duke) do. Football is the cash cow. The eight bowl teams will bring in millions for all schools due to revenue sharing.
Yes, the Vicks are an embarrassment to VT. You're the one who brought up Ralph Sampson as a great example of UVa athletes on and off the field. You ask, Is dog fighting worse that non-payment of child support?? I'm not sure, maybe you should ask the kids he has fathered. No, the Hokies are not proud of either of the Vicks, they were a black eye. I also wouldn't be proud of a man who has made millions and refuses to take care of the children he fathered.
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StephenAnderson on 12/3/2007 10:20:58 AM wrote:
A deadbeat dad is much worse than a dogfighter. A dogfighter might be hurting dogs but a deadbeat dad is hurting and neglecting their own child.
No school is immune to having some athletes participate in criminal behavior. Former UVA lacrosse player stole equipment from campers at lacrosse camp and tried to sell it. UVA covered this up and avoided honor council because they new the athlete would get thrown out of school. Winning was more important to UVA than class in that instance.
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Justafan on 11/26/2007 11:53:31 AM wrote:
BigHoosfan: I thought Ralph Sampson was a pretty good athlete for a guy 7'4". However, I don't think I would have mentioned him as being a great person. Hasn't he been in court several times for non payment of child support. I think he may have even had to serve a couple months at the gray bar hotel as well.
By the way, hope you enjoyed Saturday's game. The Hoos may not have won on the scoreboard, but they did win the contest for number of players ejected for cheapshots in the final seconds of the game. Class move.
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bamboo on 9/12/2007 4:52:38 PM wrote:
Let's hope that cousin Tyrod has better character than Michael. Only time will tell. He sure has some good moves on the field.
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Walker on 9/5/2007 8:58:30 AM wrote:
Vick will hopefully get what he deserves (a couple years in jail) and move on. His actions have shown his character to be seriously flawed.
Just to follow up on old Tiki (I have class because I say so) Barber, here's what he said in his book recently.
"If Tom Coughlin had not remained as head coach of the Giants, I might still be in a Giants uniform," Barber writes, according to the Daily News."
A class act......
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old_curmudgeon on 9/5/2007 8:42:14 AM wrote:
From the Atlanta Journal Constitution:
"A mistake is staying at Motel 6 instead of Holiday Inn. A mistake is using a first round pick on Roddy White. Fighting, betting on and murdering dogs for 7 years IS NOT a mistake, that’s called CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR!!"
that says it all for me.
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old_curmudgeon on 8/29/2007 12:00:36 PM wrote:
Reminds me of an old Miami joke, that went:
"Miami (now VT) is the only college football team that has its team pictures taken from the front AND the side.
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sreedy on 8/28/2007 9:46:17 AM wrote:
I do beleave that he is more guilty than we all know alot goes on in life that is never found out about.If we all got caught for all the wrong well we would be a very differnt world.Vickk did get caught and should pay the price for the poor dogs that he hurt and killed.Plus all the kids who looked up to him now have a lot of stress and miked feelings.He should do hard time for his actions.Maybe in a dog crate to let him see the way the dogs felt and slamed around like he did them.Like they say what is good for the goose is good for the gander.Now I hope he gets his and them some and never to be allowed to play football ever again.Lets hope the judge loves his dog and thinks the right way like I would if it was me as the judge
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quincy1775 on 8/27/2007 3:11:52 PM wrote:
For all the folks who want him to have a second chance: let him serve whatever time the judge deems for him, show some real remorse and prove that he has in fact cleaned up his act, then we can look at giving him a second chance. Yes, people do make mistakes. He only made one mistake: he thought dog-fighting was a good idea. After that, he exercised continual poor judgement and idiocy by staying involved and associating with people who glorified that lifestyle, himself included. It will take a lot for folks to forgive him after this. Will he ever be an NFL quarterback again? I doubt it, he wasn't all that great to begin with. Assuming he isn't banned for life, he might come back as a tailback, returner, or recevier, but that's doubtful too
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ziranthia on 8/27/2007 12:36:05 PM wrote:
It's all over but the cryin', folks. Vick officially pleaded guilty at 10:30 this morning. Bye bye NFL, forever. No team wants an ex-con for a quarterback. Too much bad PR. I hope Vick makes some new friends in the cellblock and in the yard. They can braid his hair and call him Shirley, and give him a bar of soap to drop in the shower. Oh well, shouldn't torture and murder innocent dogs.
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quincy1775 on 8/27/2007 1:50:47 AM wrote:
To hokieharry: I would have to think it would be the simple-minded folks who could easily forget what MV did and what happened. I won't forget what he did, but I do hope for his sake that once he serves his time that he is able to turn things around and become an upstanding kind of person, unlike he has shown thus far in his life. Will I ever root for him if/when he plays though? No...I have too much of a conscience to do that. He did indeed bring a lot of shame, and that needs to be reflected by the athletics department by taking down his name and image until he proves that he is worthy of that recognition, if he is ever able to do so. He may have earned the recognition through his play at VT, but that is lost on his poor character.
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beagle on 8/25/2007 8:59:32 PM wrote:
Percykuction,
I find your posts just as disgusting. It is obvious you are uneducated as well as racist. It is a shame that people of your mindset exist. I am a proud VT alum. It is a beautiful place and a wonderful blend of races and cultures. I do not condone Vick's or Cho's actions, but to degrade their race and VT is wrong.
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roenoke on 8/25/2007 8:02:14 PM wrote:
Vick needs to find friends that aint snitches!
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blockh on 8/25/2007 5:31:32 PM wrote:
I live near Newport News where Mike grew up. Southeast Newport News is a rough place to be a kid. This does not excuse what Mike has done. It takes a cruel person to hurt these animals as he has done. These types persons graduate to hurting children spose abuse. He does not have to worry about the public forgiving him, I recommend that he attend church often.
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CrashAndBurn on 8/25/2007 2:54:31 PM wrote:
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hokieharry on 8/25/2007 2:42:47 PM wrote:
To: quincy1775 and others
In about 30 days Michael Vick will be an ever lasting, but far distant memory in the minds of most Hokies. Yes, we are unhappy and sad over the shame he brought on Virginia Tech but it will soon be forgotten unless simple minded non-Hokie fans bring it up again.
Get over it. It's history now and will soon be ancient history.
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Rnorman56 on 8/25/2007 2:37:51 PM wrote:
Dog fighting is against the law in all 50 states for a reason... it is cruel and inhumane to the animals involved. I don't give a rat's a$$ about Michael Vick and the troubles he has caused for himself. What I am concerned with are the 53 dogs that were put down this past week because of his selfish acts and the ones that he and his 'business partners' have put to death.
I pray there is a special hell for people who abuse children, the elderly, and animals!!
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sparkeyglows on 8/25/2007 11:36:56 AM wrote:
The person we should be blaming for all of this is Vick himself, not VT, his parents, etc. Some parents do the best they can, some dont, but for whatever reason,some kids just turn out TOXIC! They form their own destiny and move forward in spite of advice from anyone. Yes,there have been enablers in Vick's life and he conned them all to continue the process. Bottom line-he made the choice to go in the wrong direction. He is old enough and has been for a long time, to know right from wrong. This isnt a "black"issue, VT issue, or any other, than an individual making the wrong choice, and breaking the law. Now, as is right,he must pay. We all need to look within ourselves to see if we are enabeling anyone. Ouch, that could hurt. Need a mirror?
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skipadeedooda on 8/25/2007 9:43:13 AM wrote:
I think you miss the point RTSMITH 1951, it has nothing to do with race. It has everything to do with CHARACTER. Running and throwing a football is a skill, which Vick has. A respect for rules and life requires strong character. Vick's true self is now being revealed to the world.
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Tzemach on 8/25/2007 9:06:49 AM wrote:
I feel compassion for him, however he did the crime. This case will have no bearing on the future conduct of professional players, they are all disfunctional individuals from greedy self centered teams and schools.
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rtsmith1951 on 8/25/2007 8:53:53 AM wrote:
Michael Vick deserves to be suspended from the NFL. He lied to the Commissioner of the NFL about his involvement in this entire sordid affair. I do not think that Michael Vick is stupid, but I can not understand how he could just throw his whole career away over somthing like this. I guess you can take the black athlete out of the projects, but you can not always take the projects out of the black athlete. It is a shame to see such a promising athlete just throw his life away.
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quincy1775 on 8/25/2007 1:09:59 AM wrote:
As an alum, I've been hit up for donations more times than I can count, and I've yet to make a donation with good reason. I saw what was happening at VT while I was still a student and began distancing myself from the athletics as much as possible. With their dismal handling of the PR mess that has been the Vick's, I can safely say my support for the major sports is done. I just can't stomach the crap that keeps going on, and I hope Weaver, Beamer, Steger, and all the boosters and fans start waking up and realizing that this is putting a major black eye on VT that folks will remember. Yes, they may not have made Vick completely into what he is today, but they sure can remove him as the most prominent face of the univserity.
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nrvhokie on 8/24/2007 8:23:09 PM wrote:
mamajamma; you are a joke. Get real.
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nrvhokie on 8/24/2007 8:21:30 PM wrote:
Coach Beamer, I hope you start recruiting some players with character instead of just worrying about winning games to get more money and a bigger bowl bonus. Get tough for a change and let us find out just what kind of coach you are and if you are any good at your craft. There have been way too many player incidents here to just be a coincidence; you let the players get by with way to much.
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nrvhokie on 8/24/2007 8:17:57 PM wrote:
President Steagar what do you have to say about all of this sordid mess. Also I don't recall you ever stating the findings of the so called investagation the university was going to do after Marcus' incident in the bowl game. Has that been made public or did you just let it ride?
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GeorgiaBoy on 8/24/2007 8:16:23 PM wrote:
Hey Mamma...'don't bad mouth Vick's parents'?...What are you smoking?!! They were part of the problem..did you not read the paper today? Both his mom and pop knew about his dog fighting adventure. His whole family are nothing but criminals and thugs.
Wake up.
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nrvhokie on 8/24/2007 8:14:56 PM wrote:
I am curios to see what coach Beamer has to say about Mike Vick now; after all he is the one who signed him to come to VT. Maybe this will open his eyes and he will do more research on his recruits instead of just how fast the player can run.
Also, if Mr. Weaver does not decide to disasociate the university athletic program from poeple like the Vicks, maybe the people who support athletics at VT should without the contributions they make. I know I am not the biggest donor but VT athletics will not get another dime from me or will I attend another athletic event, if Vick's name is not removed from Vick Hall and his jersey removed. Let us hope Mr. Weaver is not the straw in the wind like he has always been.
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mamajama on 8/24/2007 6:20:57 PM wrote:
I can't believe the comments on this board about a man charged with dogfighting. I don't like dogfighting but face it: dogs fight, naturally. Hunting is worse imo, because, at least the dog has a chance up against another dog; what chance has any animal up against a rifle. Also, what does this charge have to do with football. Also, doesn't our FBI have anything better to do than stalk a dogfighting ring? They can't stop terrorists from blowing up the trade center but boy are they crackerjack at stalking a guy 'hiding' before millions of folks every week. If they had arrested him a year ago, it would have been a scant misdemeanor. Something tells me TPTB changed the law just to humiliate the man. PLEASE. This is sooooooo silly. Get over it guy.
PS-- don't bad mouth the guy's parents. That just shows a want of proper upbringing on the part of the speaker.
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jwb5555 on 8/24/2007 5:29:49 PM wrote:
I don't understand all the comments about Vick being the most talented quarterback when he actually has a hard time making the top 20! No doubt he broke some records running, but he is not the most talented quarterback. VT needs to remove anything that has this scumbag's name or NO. 7 on it right away to retain their alumni and fan support!
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quincy1775 on 8/24/2007 4:12:23 PM wrote:
I'm not saying they should police athletes after they leave, it's not their responsibility. But they need to take a tougher stand when they do screw up at VT. Many people indicate that Michael was involved in some things while at VT that were hushed or covered up so he wouldn't face punishment. Marcus managed to do it publicly, but Beamer was still far too lax with him. When he stomped on the Louisville player, he should have been sent to the locker room immediately...but winning the game was too important for Frank. It's things like that which have given me the glimpse into the dark underside that is athletics, not just at VT, but in general...and why I will no longer support them. Someone needs to take responsibility, but no one will.
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nakni11 on 8/24/2007 4:03:14 PM wrote:
Virginia Tech is not responsible for a student's actions that attended the school more than 5 years ago. Is Beamer supposed to "police" the Vicks YEARS after they are no longer affiliated with the university?
Two years of good influence and "coaching" will not completely erase your entire upbringing. It will not automatically create an upstanding, and moral human being.
However, VT's reasoning for not taking down his jersey is not suitable for me. While he did do some good things for the university, it should not overshadow the fact that he is now known as a heartless criminal who fought and killed many pit bulls. What he did is just truly sickening, and I'd hope that Virginia Tech would (for once) look past the monetary benefit.
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quincy1775 on 8/24/2007 3:09:47 PM wrote:
I look at it this way: Beamer and the rest of VT should have been doing more to help the Vicks, and other students and athletes also, to become not just more honed in their skills, but to become upstanding people for the future. That's a part of what a coach is supposed to do, or so I thought. I do blame Beamer, but not just him. It's systematic at VT and most other major universities where athletics has become more coveted than academics. VT should set an example and yank down his jersey and any public displays with his name, and do more to police the athletes in the future. VT has had too many incidents that have sullied the image of the university, and VT's response to all of it has been so miniscule that it makes me sick. Way to go VT.
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nakni11 on 8/24/2007 2:34:38 PM wrote:
I don't believe that Beamer or anyone else at Tech is responsible for two idiots that attended the university for a few short years. They are not responsible for their poor upbringing! Both of the Vick's have shamed the Hokie nation and Virginia as a whole. I went to school with Michael, and admired him for his talent and poise when Marcus started getting in trouble. It turns out that they are both so incredibly self-centered and arrogant, that they make a mess of their whole lives (and apparently the lives of innocent animals). I own two pit-bulls, so I am extremely opinionated on the subject of dog fighting, and if you ask me...Michael should get the stiffest penalty possible. I'm also upset that VT will not take down the jersey.
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merry2 on 8/24/2007 12:09:09 PM wrote:
Walker, I do have a sense of humor, it just wasn't clear to me if you were joking or being serious. The use of chump or pinhead to describe Tiki Barber doesn't make sense to me, because I don't see him as gullible, insignificant or stupid. Perhaps you weren't using the terms literally. I'm not up to date on the latest slang.
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Walker on 8/24/2007 9:14:05 AM wrote:
Merry....
Tiki WAS a MAJOR distraction to the Giants last year. Everyone on the team acknowledges this. In fact anyone who watches Pro Football knows this.
It is only my opinion that he is a chump. He was a great player, but he was a CHUMP for several reasons. Ask the Giants, I think they'd agree.
As for prejudice, I spent A LOT of time at both VT and UVA during college. I had a lot of friends at both schools.
Through the years of experience with both schools and my time with these fellow students I've found that both have some nice kids, but there were infinitely more chumps and pinheads at UVA.
This is my seasoned and experienced opinion...surely you have a sense of humor?
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merry2 on 8/23/2007 6:37:48 PM wrote:
If Tiki Barber was a distraction to his team, then many other players have been there as well. How many times has there been speculation about a college player going pro before graduating, Michael Vick included? We hear about this every year, in both college football and the NFL. To resort to name calling in reference to Tiki Barber is unwarranted. I have many friends who are graduates of UVA and Tech, and many friends have children attending those universities. I would therefore never refer to anyone as a "stinking Wahoo" (Walker's earlier post) or a stinking Hokie, as that would be prejudicial. There are many fine graduates and students from both universities.
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Walker on 8/23/2007 3:24:57 PM wrote:
britaney-
Vick is from the Tidewater area, not Roanoke. And Tiki is a schmuck. I wouldn't consider calling your head coach out in public and selfishly distracting your team for an entire season very classy.
Compared to the things Vick has done, yeah Tiki seems pretty decent. But, he is still an attention-seeking chump, and a stinking Wahoo.
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Walker on 8/23/2007 3:20:02 PM wrote:
Michael Vick is the most talented college football player to play in the last 10 years, at least.
That said, Vick is an ABSOLUTE idiot. Like his brother Marcus, his behavior has shown that he was raised (term used loosely) by a pathetic excuse for a mother.
If this were a one-time thing, I may cut him some slack. But, Michael has shown time and again that he doesn't understand what type of behavior is acceptable as a law-abiding member of society.
Increasingly, we see this behavior from athletes and it is time to set an example. Vick should be banned from playing in the NFL for at least 2 years, after his time in prison, if not for life. The guy is a pure scumbag.
I am a HUGE Hokie fan, I always have been and this guy is a disgrace.
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quincy1775 on 8/22/2007 12:50:42 PM wrote:
I think it would be far more fitting to re-name the hall after Bryan Randall, because as far as I can tell from his time at VT, he was a class act. The same cannot be said for Vick, and it's shameful that VT is still not willing to say he screwed up and remove his name from public places. It's just one more thing that has given me a glimpse into the inner workings of my alma matter, and I'm not thrilled with what I see. The next time they ask me for money, I'll send a nice note that I will when they take his jersey down and remove his name from the Merriman Center.
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merry2 on 8/22/2007 10:01:44 AM wrote:
I am amazed by those who continue to defend Michael Vick with the lame excuse "he made a mistake". Look the word mistake up in the dictionary and you will see that using the term to describe his actions doesn't fit the definition. This was not a brief lapse in judgement. This was a carefully orchestrated venture, planned with a purpose and carried out over many years. This was no mistake. It is unfortunate that Michael Vick seems to have no appreciation for the opportunities he had before him. I hope he read the article comparing the path he chose versus Tiki Barber's path. There is no comparison. Michael Vick has no character and no class.
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britaney on 8/22/2007 6:51:03 AM wrote:
What a great article compairing the accomplisments of Tiki Barber and the bad decisions of Michael Vick. Thank you for highlighting the difference between these 2 athletes. Yes it does make us proud at UVa that Tiki and Ronde will most surely go out at the top of their game. Tech can have their hall dedicated to this guy, why they would I don't know. How unfortunate that this will be their claim to fame irregardless of the # of games they win or the ranking in the polls, or the bowls they manage to play in. Thank you Barber brothers for showing us the class act way to handle fame and fortune. Roanoke is very proud.
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quincy1775 on 8/21/2007 11:38:36 PM wrote:
this was not some honest mistake he made. He had to be completely calculating to do this venture at each and every step of the way. Now, I do hope that he can turn his life around and become a productive member of society whenever he regains his freedom. I have watched too many sports and celebrity types skate away from legal troubles and keep their careers for me to support it happening again. If the NFL lets him back in the league, I'll be done with it. They should come down hard on Vick, and people like Little, Carruth, and others who do really stupid things that hurt people. The fact that MV walked through HS and VT without ever getting punished for anything is sad, and I cannot in good faith support that. I hope others do the same.
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quincy1775 on 8/21/2007 11:34:57 PM wrote:
I'm not going to forgive someone who is not appologetic or remorseful for their actions. In order to truly forgive someone that element must be present, otherwise the forgiveness is just a feel-good thing for people to do...making it completely meaningless. Vick lied blatently to the NFL and Arthur Blank, fans, and everyone else when he proclaimed he had nothing to do with it. If that was really the case, he would not be pleading out because he would be able to show his innocence in the matter. Between being a bold-faced liar about this case and actually being involved in it, he burned a lot of the bridges he made over the years with fans and supporters. It sickens me to see how many people are still willing to defend him through this...
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carverant on 8/21/2007 4:32:43 PM wrote:
yes what Vick did was wrong, but the Feds have known about dog fighting for years.Why now excepr to get a big name and fame. Go after all the dog fighters. they say its a 500 million a yr business that shouldn't be hard to track. That is if they are serious about fighting crime but I doubt that they are.Let's not forget Jesus forgave his attackers.
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loudog72 on 8/21/2007 4:23:44 PM wrote:
Michael Vick's acts are despicable! But where is this pouring outrage when a violent crime is committed against a human being. Any of you out there that buy chicken, beef, etc at the butcher - support the same acts of violence commited to these dogs. It's just set out in a nice pretty package so you can separate yourself from these same acts. I am no fan of PETA, and am an avid meat eater, and I am in NO way supporting M. Vick. JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THE HYPOCRISY. All of you you pointing fingers have 4 coming right back at ya!
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GeorgiaBoy on 8/21/2007 4:23:39 PM wrote:
Hey Misstee2...where is the conspiracy? Of course the other defendents are going to roll on Vick...He's got millions....they don't...he can afford a good defense team..they can't....Sure the feds are going after Vick ( the big fish)....DUH!! Did you not read the part in the indictment about Vick funding this whole sick endeavor? Why go after the anchovies when you can nail the whale? If I am an attorney for the feds I'd rather 'make a name' for myself by sticking it to the one who had the most to lose and who's hand was deepest in the cookie jar rather than a couple of penny-ante perps. The only conspiracy I see is the lack of intelligence and global-denial of common sense on display by all the Vick-lovrs.
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pissedoff on 8/21/2007 12:09:51 PM wrote:
Bob Molinaro must enjoy picking at wounds that need to heal. It feel sorry for him.
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misstee2ux3 on 8/21/2007 11:21:48 AM wrote:
after i read a few comments and articles i am begining to wonder if part of this is a conspiracy. now i'm not saying he's not guilty, but maybe the other guys that were his "friends" said whatever they had to say to get their head off the chopping block. how can one person be somewhere so much with a career that takes him all over the usa? i still say he was a idiot for being invovlved in the first place, but i think they went extra hard after him because of his status and it gives these proscuters names for themselves. we have had so many gun ho DA like the one in the Lacrosse case and OJ case that take a bit of the truth and blow it up to be more than it is for their own personal ventures.
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makersny on 8/21/2007 10:53:13 AM wrote:
I think he should be treated just as anyone else involved in such attrocity. He would not plead guilty if he wasn't. As for playing football again. No way. They banned Pete Rose from ever playing baseball for gambling, this is much worse. Poor little Vick, worried more about whether he will play ball again, than the jail time. Do unto others as you have done to them (dogs). Hang him high. And I thought his brother was bad seed, looks like both of them don't know when they have a good thing, so take it away. Hope he has saved some of his income or he will be down in the ranks with the rest of his buddies.
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maander6 on 8/21/2007 10:51:49 AM wrote:
It is incredible to me that a University with such an excellent School of Veterinary Medicine would consider maintaining any relationship with Vick. He did not, as some have suggested, put Virginia Tech on the map; he simply brought notarity to the University for a brief period of time. Unfortunately, his current notarity now brings a black eye to the University.
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quincy1775 on 8/21/2007 10:02:03 AM wrote:
I'll be surprised if he ever plays in the NFL again. I just don't see how an owner or GM would want to take on that PR nightmare. Now, assuming he doesn't completely rot away in jail and comes out showing remorse and wants to improve his life afterward, I could see him playing Arena League football. It's nowhere near as glamerous or high-paying as the NFL, but it may be his only option. He might want to look at joining the New Orleans Voodoo...because it might just take some to resurrect his career.
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phippskevin on 8/21/2007 9:17:27 AM wrote:
As typical with most Big Universities that have accepted donations from a player they have buried their heads in the sand. I realize it's water already under the bridge and that the buildings or athletic areas have already been named in Vicks Honor. But, it would have been great that some of the money could have gone to the Veterinarian School. Maybe they should rename the Vick building, and Athletic area to the names of the dogs he executed. There really is a double standard in the world and it has to do with money and athletic performance over someones contributions as a human being.
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misstee2ux3 on 8/21/2007 8:32:27 AM wrote:
I think that he's stupid, but he's also human. And we all make mistakes. Should he he play football again, yes I think so, but only after he pays his debt to society and a stiff penalty. If you read the bible it says tht man is over all creatures, now I don't think electrocuting and killings dogs is right, but heck it's a dog. What abot the people selling drugs to innocent children, online pervs that draw kids to them with high hopes of a wonderful life, how about the murders that have never been solved? R Kelly a R&B singer peed on a thirteen year old girl and had sex with her. His trial is finally coming up after five years of stalling, but Vick fights some dogs and gamble and thats the fastest trial I've seen yet.
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old_curmudgeon on 8/20/2007 5:39:10 PM wrote:
So. He finally saw the light and copped a plea. I guess this will give a new meaning (or two) to the phrase "Hokie Pokey"
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lush624 on 8/17/2007 8:34:04 PM wrote:
MPHOPPY-i've read the indictment and you agree with what i'm trying to say... i never used the word alligations. i was trying to point out that the indictment wouldn't have been filed if there weren't facts to support it. too bad it took so long for the feds to build a case. it goes without saying that he deserves serious time for the crime.
1950bing - i wasn't referring to all vt fans, just the person that wrote earlier on this post attempting to shift any blame to the vt coaching staff for any possible culpability for this criminal action - brought up by quincy1775 "...if their past coaches were tougher on them and they took responsibility, maybe we wouldn't be here now".
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GeorgiaBoy on 8/17/2007 4:45:07 PM wrote:
( Yawn )!
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1950bing on 8/17/2007 4:09:46 PM wrote:
Not all VT fans are vick fans !
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MPHOPPY on 8/16/2007 10:42:54 PM wrote:
This guy is a dirt bag. If any of you are interested in reading the indictment, this is the web site: http://assets.espn.go.com/media/pdf/070717/vick_indictment.pdf
Let talk about the alligations. Not about what we feel and think. But what this guy and the rest of his scum bag friends are being charge with. I think it stinks that they are given the option to plea. I would have loved to see this go to trail. What a shame.
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lush624 on 8/16/2007 5:04:40 PM wrote:
sorry all of you vt fans out there. bad people do bad things.-mv is truely a specimen of human physiology, but not a testament to psychology. i think it's ubsurd to blame the vt coaches for anyhing, give me a break. i do miss the fact that mv has most likely lost all chance to leave his mark on sports history. but choices were made, by him, noone else.-most of the posts hit it right by saying pampered people live pampered lives.-but after reading the indictment,things are pretty obvious. remember, all 70+ points of the inditment can't be filed unless they are substanciated. i just hate when people try to plug college football into this situation. unfortunately it takes a high profile person to bring light to the reality that we all live
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beachbum on 8/16/2007 1:17:33 PM wrote:
I hope the low life goes to jail and never gets to play football again. Any one who would put an animal through what he did does not deserve a second chance.
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DwayneYancey on 8/16/2007 11:14:31 AM wrote:
We break down Michael Vick's legal options on this edition of the TimesCast.
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gasp4gh on 8/15/2007 6:14:46 PM wrote:
GeorgiaBoy you're right. This is a shame and sad time for someone who could be a role model and move on beyond his past and be a responsible individual. Sadly though is that most people would be allowed to work and defend themselves before the media found them quilty before they ever reach the courtroom. Lewis and others in the NFL have received far less punishment and attention, and still been allowed to play and work in their profession. Heck, the President of the United States was impeached and still came to work everyday and was paid! My question to everyone is this: Why are the feds so up in arms over this verses any other dogfighting ring? I'm not particularly Mick Vick fan as I am other pro celebs, but this one started to stink before it ever got going.
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gasp4gh on 8/15/2007 6:06:50 PM wrote:
Sad, but true. Mick Vick has become the Poster-Child against dog fighting. Sadly though is that if this was anyone else, they'd get a $1500 fine and 2-3 yrs probation. The feds are using Vick and his celebrity as the 'get the others' involved in dog fights & gambling. Dog fighting is bad no doubt, but no one is standing up for the Greyhounds that are put-down after racing. Thousands are clubbed, shot, drown, electricuted etc. Where's all the outcry over this? Where's the media and the talk shows? If Mick is guilty, then punish him and the others, but let the punishment be in accordance to the crime. Heck, murderers get less time and publicity.
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GeorgiaBoy on 8/2/2007 8:43:52 AM wrote:
All joking aside...it is a shame about Vick...here is a guy who was hyped beyond belief starting in college...hyped based on potential ( but don't we all have 'potential'?)...hyped on freakish athleticism....but yet...his only accomplishment was too break the rushing record for NFL QB's. He rarely made the top 20 QB's in statistical rankings...his passing percentage is pathetic etc etc. I think Vick has been so over hyped the public in general gets sick of it..and Vick...then delightfully relish in his misery when he gets in trouble. Talented Athlete + no real accomplishments + Media overhyping + thuggish behavior = disaster waiting to happen.
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bamboo on 8/1/2007 7:48:20 PM wrote:
Georgia Boy,
Yeah, let's hope Mike is a better receiver than he is at passing.
I wouldn't want to be in Tony Taylor's position now. Hope he has some good protection.
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GeorgiaBoy on 8/1/2007 1:19:53 PM wrote:
Looks like Mike may be switching positions once he hits the Prison leagues...I hear he will be moving from QB to either tight end or a receiver....looks like he won't be 'barking' out any more plays at the line of scrimmage.
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1950bing on 8/1/2007 12:06:27 PM wrote:
Are prison yards 100 yards long ?
Poor Michael! He should look good in orange.
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desharn41 on 7/30/2007 3:10:08 PM wrote:
VAtoGA
You might swing that way but I don't.
The truth is truth. Even today the media is reporting "More trouble for Michael Vick." All because one of the defendants on trial with Vick is about to make a plead bargain. No surprise there, I knew that was coming but I'm surprise that it took so long. Can I please get a witness without something to gain or lose. The evidence is mounting up. Pretty soon the whole state of Virginia will be testifying against Michael Vick. I can't wait for the trial so the prosecutor can present all this evidence they have against Vick. I've been very impress with the evidence so far. Just in case you can't read between the lines. I was being sarcastic.
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VAtoGA on 7/29/2007 8:03:17 AM wrote:
desham41
Why don't you and Vick get a room??
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desharn41 on 7/29/2007 5:01:50 AM wrote:
(Part Two)
All the witnesses amazingly consist of the very same ones on trial with him. Concoindence? I'll be very interested on a timeline these dogs died and where Michael Vick was at the time. Either they can place him there or not. Let's say they say that Vick just gave them the oral command to go ahead and kill these dogs. Than there would have to be phone or email records, something to tied Vick to these dogs. Until than he should be innocent until proven guilty. Ask yourself if he's found innocent than what? Will the investigation continue to get to the bottom of dog fighting and why have no one already look into the dog fighting ring before now? All of sudden Vick is indicted and he's the master ring leader I doubted.
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desharn41 on 7/29/2007 4:46:52 AM wrote:
(Part One)
It's amazing everyone condemning Michael Vick without any evidence. I read the indictment. Which not surprisingly is base on other people's testimony, primarily the very same people who are also on trial with Michael Vick. Case in point, if Michael Vick played the pival role describe in the indictment setting up the ring, arranging or traveling to various states to particiapate in these dogfights why come only now they are charging Michael Vick. You would think the government had some clue some insider to gather evidence to make a case. The only reason they got involved was because the local police stumble onto the pitbulls and equipment when they were looking for drugs with their search warrant.
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Dakota2004 on 7/27/2007 2:26:42 PM wrote:
Dog fighting?? Mike Vick did not participate ever nor know about dogfighting on his property because the definition of "gullible" is not in any dictionary! IT'S TRUE!!
Unfortunately, if you believe this you are also gullible.
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skyewolf on 7/27/2007 1:35:23 PM wrote:
Michael Vick makes me sick much by the attention he gets handed. Here in Roanoke that is all you could hear from the media for years was Vick this, Vick that. Now the lots of the same group as well as many Tech officials have came out and stated "they are hoping and praying Vick was not involved". That is ridiculous in itself. Yes truly we all would have wished it had never happened as the animals are surely are the victims. But it did, and what all should be wishing for is that the truth be now known. The law is meant to be applied the same, whether it be Michael Vick or any just any unknown person who never gets treated with celebrity status.
Face it. A lesson is to be learned. There are just too many really good people out there who deserve recognition for being really good people, rather than to be idolizing someone just because they can run with a football.
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1950bing on 7/27/2007 1:12:13 PM wrote:
The NFL has enough money to pay Vick's lawyers to get him out of this.
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quincy1775 on 7/27/2007 12:05:31 PM wrote:
??? Point is, I do not see any possible way that Vick was not involved, knowledgable, and ties in with the dog fighting. For him to have done all of those things, but not the dog fighting, well, I guess he expects all of America to be pretty gullible to buy it. I don't. Even if he wasn't actually directly involved in the dog fights, he certainly enabled his friends to have all the equipment, housing, tools, and animals needed for the enterprise, and his friends apparently used his celebrity status to further the venture. Even in that case, he still will get jail time if the Fed and locals have the evidence. I will never again support or pull for Michael Vick. His association, regardless of guilt, with this activity has done it for me.
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quincy1775 on 7/27/2007 12:02:09 PM wrote:
Here's my latest thoughts: The property was bought just after MV signed the Falcons contract, and just before the dog fighting began. Sometime after buying the property, MV got licensed in VA to breed dogs and run a kennel. Why? He lived in Atlanta most of the year for football season, so why in VA? Then, why build a house and buy the equipment, and just out of the generosity of his heart let his friends mooch off of him? Further, why entrust his house, kennel, and breeding licensing with people he wasn't in constant contact with? That's a recipe for disaster normally. Further, if he "rarely" visited the property, would he not want to see what was going on with his kennels and how the breeding was going, seeing as how those were in HIS name
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jomike6 on 7/27/2007 10:19:58 AM wrote:
No need to waste precious time discussing Michael Vick. Just look at his past "track" record. Enough said!
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Council2222 on 7/27/2007 9:45:20 AM wrote:
Let me see,...Michael Vick knew "nothing" about his so called..kennel breeding website, "nothing" about 70 dogs in pens at his house that he occasionally visited. Yet, yesterday in court he was made to surrender his "Dog Breeders license" ???? Please!! Then in his statement, he ask us not to judge him until evidence shows proof?? Has anyone read the full indictment? It's pretty factual. Now, he's ruining what's left of his own credibility by lying. And it sounds as if he's putting all the blame on the other guys. Michael needs to watch Judge Judy more and listen to her famous quote..."If it don't make sense, it's probably a lie."
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VAtoGA on 7/27/2007 8:30:33 AM wrote:
1cacao what have you been smoking? You must be kidding...helped a lot of people...like the girl he helped get herpes...or the airline employees he helped deal with the challenges in their line of work when he refused to place his "water bottle" in the trash? Or maybe you think he helped his family members by introducing them to some very profitable ILLEGAL activities. If he did not know this stuff was going on then he is as dumb as he appears!
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GeorgiaBoy on 7/27/2007 8:26:47 AM wrote:
1cacao.....what in the world were you trying to convey in your post??? Incomplete sentences along with incomplete thoughts....
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1cacao on 7/26/2007 10:06:28 PM wrote:
Reasonable doubt rules!: quit lambasting, those that have.GAMBLING! Many prey upon those less experienced.Michael has helped a lot of folks,and I hope he will continue. At least the USA has rules governing some animals.When the Olympics were held in Korea (please,no offense to any ethnicity they may very not condone "local flavors"),several years ago,dogs that were hanging in the butcher's windows were not allowed to be filmed.Many *French/Canadians like horse meat(it was sold @local supermarkets until recently)Authorities KNOW that dog-fighting and chicken-fights are rampant throughout the USA.They simply cannot keep up with the gross numbers of cases. Why hoopla,now?I'm sure there were some fights, but the blame is, apparently, heresay.
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Travelguy on 7/26/2007 4:30:36 PM wrote:
Michael Vick has a good "Monica Lewinsky" lawyer. With a fine of only $350k and just six years in prison, he will probably get off
with a slap on the wrist. He knows how the justice system works and it usually works in his favor. Don't forget he is an NFL star!!
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quincy1775 on 7/26/2007 3:33:16 PM wrote:
TC, you hit the general problem with athletes and celebs right on the head. Too often they are allowed to get away with that kind of violence, or drunk driving, or drug use...and skate through the legal system with barely a slap on the wrist. It's part of why I'm gotten pretty disenchanted with sports and pop culture. Normal folks don't stand half the chance that celebs and jocks have when it comes to these things...and the only reason they seem to get away with it is they have the money to hire big power lawyers who get them off on technicalities or make such a circus of it that it's impossible to determine what really happened. It's pretty deplorable the general state of popular celebrity and sports culture if you ask me.
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GeorgiaBoy on 7/26/2007 3:15:16 PM wrote:
'sniff sniff''.....hey...what's that smell? Smells like burnt toast.....oh...it's just Mike Vicks' career!! Hey Mike, enjoy your stay in Club-Fed.
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TCPits on 7/25/2007 12:26:16 AM wrote:
I do not condone dog fighting or any of the other terrible things associated with the things Vick has been charged with. However, I do find it amazing and frightening that the outcry is so great when it involves an animal yet high profile athletes can beat their spouses and girlfriends...or worse... and there is not nearly the outrage. Why? It's as if beating up on women is "okay" or at least glossed over because "boys will be boys". Have any pro athletes been kicked out of sports for abusing a woman or even another human? I don't know, so I'd be happy for someone to give me examples.
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quincy1775 on 7/24/2007 4:00:39 PM wrote:
Finally, some action from the NFL regarding Vick. While I appreciate folks insisting that "he's innocent until proven guilty by the courts", that only applies to the legal charges and whether or not the Feds can prove their case. It does not mean a flying bit about his actual guilt or innosence in the matter, which based on what we've seen so far, it would indicate that he is neck deep in the dog-fighting business and hoping he can get some hot-shot lawyer to get him off on a technicality. Even if he is found not-guilty by a jury, it still looks damning for him since I don't see any way he wasn't knowledgable, complicit, or directly involved in the whole operation. The NFL should suspend him until the court case is finished, no questions.
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VAtoGA on 7/21/2007 12:21:25 PM wrote:
I too hope it is the end of the likes of MV. He is a nasty freak that has obviously never appreciated his "talents". Unfortunately, we may not be able to be rid of him as he is actually getting support from his fans in Atlanta. The news reports down here are sickening, very detailed about what he is accused of doing, then they shove a microphone in some idiots face who says things like, "innocent until proven guilty", "let the courts decide", and the most nauseating one, I'm a Falcons fan", puke!!!
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bamboo on 7/21/2007 9:28:08 AM wrote:
You gotta expect things like this to occur when these guys are given passes for almost any indiscretions and are paid obscene salaries plus the millions from the shoe companies, etc.
How much money can they pay for jewelry, tats and body piercings? How many Escalades or Hummers can they buy? They have all that money that they have to use for something.
I hope this is the end of Vick's football career. I expect that many Falcons are regretting the loss of Matt Schaub now.
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micmart3000 on 7/20/2007 6:09:05 PM wrote:
You people need to read the Indictment...
All you Hokies know the truth...this is not something the guy messed around with occasionally...This was MV's DREAM
Some people buy a boat...Mike just happened to like watching dogs rip each other to shreds....To bad for him that it happens to be a felony...
Coincidence his property was purchased around the same month that he signed his 130 mil contract? I think not.In court it will come out that this was all pre-meditated from the start...this guy had his childhood buddies scouting properties to buy for dog fighting when he signed his first contract...I repeat THIS WAS MV's DREAM!
Somebody should put him in a pen with all of his 54 pit bulls and let them exact justice on him….
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Getoffmyplanet on 7/20/2007 11:49:35 AM wrote:
Quincy... I'm going to have to agree with you that I'm convinced. If it quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck... ya know what I mean? The thing that makes me sick is there are so many people that do this sort of thing. In my opinion - people that would treat an animal like this are the lowest form of human being. They do not deserve kind treatment. I'm done with turning the other cheek, or trying to believe the best of people. Guys like this deserve the treatment that they've shown the victims. Hook them up to electrodes, smash them into the cement! Sick bastards!
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Getoffmyplanet on 7/20/2007 11:48:44 AM wrote:
Quincy... I'm going to have to agree with you that I'm convinced. If it quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck... ya know what I mean? The thing that makes me sick is there are so many people that do this sort of thing. In my opinion - people that would treat an animal like this are the lowest form of human being. They do not deserve kind treatment. I'm done with turning the other cheek, or trying to believe the best of people. Guys like this deserve the treatment that they've shown the victims. Hook them up to electrodes, smash them into the cement! Sick bastards!
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quincy1775 on 7/20/2007 10:19:24 AM wrote:
I read through the indictment and it looks really bad for Vick and the other folks involved. Assuming the Feds have their facts straight about the case and can prove the allegations, they are sunk. The allegations are completely deplorable, and to think that someone of such high stature could be even associated with this kind of dog fighting is unimaginable. People who can fight, abuse, torture, and kill animals in the methods described in the indictment are not a whole lot better than murderers of fellow humans. And in many cases, many murderes begin with similar treatment of animals. Only people with incredibly sick minds can be involved in this sort of activity. It's just revolting. Innocent until proven guilty, but I'm convinced.
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quincy1775 on 7/18/2007 11:14:20 PM wrote:
I'd have to say that given the treatment of Pacman Jones and Tank Williams, the NFL has no real choice but to at the very least suspend Vick while the investigation/trial go on, and if found guilty, kick him out of the league. I was also glad to see him go from VT, same for his brother. I just had a gut feeling that both of them were trouble, but had managed to either keep their noses clean or have it covered up to keep their careers in tact. I can't imagine how a person who has that much talent could be so stupid in their decision making, other than that they are coddled from the start and never have to take responsibility for anything they do, and they never develop a sense of right & wrong or any good moral base. Sad and pathetic.
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ziranthia on 7/18/2007 9:22:18 PM wrote:
I enjoyed your post, GeorgiaBoy. You don't need to apologize for anything. Michael Vick and Marcus Vick are a disgrace to Virginia, Virginia Tech, America, and above all, African Americans, who have tried for centuries to overcome, only to have characters like Vick give whites, hispanics and asians one more reason to say "they will never change". While I doubt the judicial system will do its job, I have no doubt that special interest groups will make it impossible for Mr. Vick to enjoy his life to the extent he has so far.
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GeorgiaBoy on 7/18/2007 6:53:34 PM wrote:
Brenda who? Would that be his mother? If so she raised this cretin. Apparently she did not do such a hot job instilling morals, values, and empathy for living things in her son. Feel sorry for the animals if you want to feel sorry for someone or something.
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GeorgiaBoy on 7/18/2007 6:44:38 PM wrote:
Never liked Vick from day one at VA Tech...knew he was a thug and low life the first time I saw him...his family are criminals and low lifes. From grade school on he was told how 'special' he was and how 'great' an athlete he was...no doubt given exemptions from indescretions that most others would be held accountable for...I hope he is found guilty...sent to a federal pen...gets shanked and sodomized...and I don't apologize for this hateful post..nor the judgement that I pass...Vick is worthy of every nasty thing spoken his direction.
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1950bing on 7/18/2007 5:25:07 PM wrote:
I just feel so sorry for Brenda.
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Getoffmyplanet on 7/18/2007 3:40:39 PM wrote:
Yeah, you're right ... it is a sports blog, and this guy is a sports figure. And in our country, young people look up to these guys. Now, what a shining example this is for our youth to see. And yeah, I call it MY planet, just like I call the United States MY country!
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old_curmudgeon on 7/18/2007 1:27:42 PM wrote:
Get off YOUR planet? Puh-leeze. Perhaps you do not understand the difference between indictment and conviction. And, by the way, isn't this the SPORTS message board?
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Getoffmyplanet on 7/18/2007 11:13:32 AM wrote:
Are you kidding me? You're worried about sports when INNOCENT animals are being tortured and killed? Do everyone a favor and get off my planet. PLEASE!
As for Vick and his cruel and pathetic pals, I say do to them what they've done to those poor dogs!
Our judicial "system" is a joke. We need to put a bigger punch behind the laws that would actually deter criminal acts. But instead we try to "rehab" these idiots. Cut a hand off of losers caught stealing. Rape & torture sex offenders, abusers & killers until they expire. At least we'd be getting our monies worth vs providing them better education, health care, food & benefits then most children and elderly have!
Open your eyes people and get off my planet.
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old_curmudgeon on 7/18/2007 8:38:28 AM wrote:
I am not a Vick fan, but let justice run its course before judging Mr. Vick. Remember the Duke lacrosse case? Just have sympathy for the Falcons if they end up with Joey "deer in the headlights" Harrington at QB.
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rlwelch on 7/18/2007 5:12:22 AM wrote:
HA!! I knew it!! Check out my message on 5/26...another "thug" with million$ scores a big hit on what's left of the integrity of the NFL. To much money, & to much time on his hands, along with the "gangsta" mentality produced more disgrace. Oh yeah, I know. He is innocent until proven guilty,& with his money he can by an acquittal regardless if he's guilty.(remember O.J.) Who knows, justice may be served & he will become Michael (con) Vick with # 07070707, & get to play on the prison football team.
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PoliticalNoke on 7/17/2007 11:48:33 PM wrote:
bye bye NFL...
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quincy1775 on 7/17/2007 10:17:32 PM wrote:
I would have to say that the Feds probably have good evidence to press charges in this case. All I have to say is that sooner or later, the truth will come out. Whether he was really involved and a big player, or just being taken advantage of (which is seeming even less likely now), the simple fact that he even associated with the people involved in this says enough about his personal character. It's definitely true that you can tell the character of a person by the company they keep. In Vick's case, it makes him look extremely guilty regardless of whether he is or not. Completely reprehensible and if found guilty, I hope he has the full extent of the law brought upon him...there is no excuse for this.
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rightwing on 7/17/2007 9:39:51 PM wrote:
I'm a VT alum and was in school while Vick was leading the Hokie football team to new heights, however, I will NEVER be able to pull for him again. I cannot understand why on earth anyone would participate in such violent activities. The ways that these poor, defenseless dogs were executed after Vick and his cronies were done with them is absolutely reprehensible. I've heard that the dogs were hung, electrocuted, beaten, etc. How can anyone, regardless of "the environment they were raised in", think that this is okay??? Ugh, again the Vick family casts a shadow against a great football program. My only hope is that the Feds have good evidence and can get a conviction and the NFL will suspend Vick like they did Pacman and Tank.
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hcky11kev on 7/7/2007 4:32:16 PM wrote:
Too bad Vick couldn't handle being "big time", although I never thought he was THAT good anyway. Maybe he should take a look at the Barber brothers from UVA. They are a fine example of great athletes AND great people. I'd rather have Tiki and a bad QB on my team...imho.
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quincy1775 on 7/7/2007 1:03:08 PM wrote:
It's the whole culture of athletes and celebrities, getting away with almost anything because their fans don't want to see them punished. It's gotten to a point of celebrity worship around the world. Is it any wonder why society has degraded so much in the past 50-60 years since TV and the whole notion of celebrity became entrenched in life? I've read that many religions and cultures believed the end would be coming once society fell into such a lifestyle where celebrities would get away with anything and people worshipped them, simply because they were celebrities. This is why I don't watch anything that's not on the History Channel, Discovery, TLC or in some way educational. It's revolting.
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jomike6 on 7/7/2007 1:02:51 PM wrote:
Vick in trouble AGAIN? Does the sun rise in the east? The only surprise in this case is the actions of the Commonwealth Attorney & the Sheriff. Both should be investigated by the FBI for possible obstruction of justice charges!
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bobaleen on 7/7/2007 12:26:33 PM wrote:
To "sportsguy15" :
I do not understand people who are so blind in their prejudices as to not notice what is around them. Check the sports wire. It is not JUST VT. It is rampant in much of college sports.
Any wonder why the NFL is loaded with "bad guys". They were "given a break" in high school and then "given a break" in college. When they get to the pros they believe they can do no wrong.
Athletes and Movie / TV stars: Thou shalt have no other gods before me - commandment number one!
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quincy1775 on 7/7/2007 11:35:58 AM wrote:
I also have a really hard time believing that Vick had no idea what was going on in Surry. How on earth a person could own a house, have a breeding license, and have an operation like that going on...without knowing it was happening? Please. I think he's hoping his celebrity status from VT and the NFL will be enough for him to skate free with little or no charges, but I highly doubt it happens. Whether he was directly involved in dog fighting, or sanctioning it through total ignorance of what his friends and family were involved in, he deserves a hard slap of the law for this, and I hope he gets it. If he was actually one of the top guys in dog fighting like some of the informants have indicated, I hope the full extent of the law is brought
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Margaret34 on 7/7/2007 9:53:08 AM wrote:
As a Viginian and Hokie Fan, I have watched Michael Vick grow and perform so well on the football field. I felt so much pride for him. He has disappointed me and many others. So many little boys have shirts with No. 7, that they wear with such pride. He has really let them down. Bad conduct and sportsmanship should not be allowed by the Atlanta Falcons.
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vtsurvivor on 7/7/2007 7:42:16 AM wrote:
It sounds like the dog fighting has been a huge operation and has been going on for a long time. I can't imagine MV did not know what his cousin was up to with this large of an operation.? I never knew much about dog fighting--this is despicable. I used to be proud of his accomplishments but sadly he is no longer a source of pride for most Hokies.
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GeorgiaBoy on 5/29/2007 12:09:27 PM wrote:
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I believe that if Vick was not so lionized and hyped upon his NFL entry...that fans and the like would not have this love 'em/hate 'em type relationship with Vick ( of course notwithstanding his sketchy and possible criminal behavior). I will be the first to admit to turning on an athlete who has been hyped to the Nth degree but fails to live up to those expectaitions....that's my problem of course....but this incessant overhyping begins to take a life of it's own in which the athlete can barely escape. It's too bad for Vick...but if you lay down with dogs your gonna wake up with some fleas.
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GeorgiaBoy on 5/29/2007 12:00:55 PM wrote:
(sniff sniff)--Hmmm...where there is smoke...there's fire. Seems to me that Mike Vick is running like his hair was on fire and his arse soon to be catching!
We often hear 'don't let those people around you Mike bring you down'....how come we don't hear..'Hey Mike....why aren't you bringing those people around you 'up'?
Never have been a VT or Vick fan...and I guess it has something to do with all the media hyping of the program and Mike Vick...too much hype without evidence to back it up ( and no...one trip to a BCS championship bowl really doesn't count if your not a consistent powerhouse program); and M. Vick's inconsistent NFL play does not warrant him being called a 'great Q-back'.
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quincy1775 on 5/26/2007 2:17:13 PM wrote:
Maybe I am not alone in thinking this, but I was kind of happy when the brothers Vick both left VT. I just had a feeling that big brother had something going on that wasn't coming out at the time, but that was all too apparent with little brother. Maybe they were good kids who made bad choices. Who hasn't? But, they have obviously gotten involved in things that are doing great harm to themselves, their reputations, the VT image, and their families...so they need to step up. I sincerely hope they do, they have too much talent and potential to do good things both on and off the field to be wrapped up in all this sort of mess. But I agree, if their past coaches were tougher on them and they took responsibility, maybe we wouldn't be here now.
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hokieharry on 5/26/2007 11:19:32 AM wrote:
sportsguy15 & iamright - your messages make me wonder just how much you know or care. It doesn't sound like you do very much since Vick is a Hokie on top of being in trouble with the law. Yes, he's made mistakes and if he's broken any law he should pay for it; but until he's charged and convicted he's still innocent. As has been said in the case of many sports stars, they get in over their head and look to long-time friends for support. Unfortunately, that support is the wrong kind too many times.
I hope MV turns his life around and makes the most out of the talents he's been given and helps many others with what he realizes from his talent.
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IamRight on 5/26/2007 10:38:32 AM wrote:
WOW, with Roanoke being such a BIG part of the hokie nation, where is the support for your great vick? I guess you're like everyone else now, you really don't need a story from the Roanoke times to see past those fast legs, do ya? If I were a hokie I would hold my breath every time a camera or audio device came within a hundred feet of vick, because as you know, he is vt. I stopped by to check out the classifieds and was greeted with such a wonderful picture, thought I would leave you with my two cents worth. Sportsguy15, you hit the nail right on the head.
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sportsguy15 on 5/26/2007 9:33:58 AM wrote:
BIG surprise. Another Tech alum causing a stir up because of his stupid actions. Don't come back and give me anything about being this comment not being ok to post, it's the truth. These athlete's are allowed to get away with so much AT TECH that when they move on to other places they think they can continue to do whatever they want. I blame it on Frank Beamer and his staff, as well as Ron Mexico.
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rlwelch on 5/26/2007 8:36:04 AM wrote:
Bad boy images lead to bad boy behavior which will lead to disgrace in one form or another. The question right now is Michael Vick going to follow the path of countless others who pissed away their name, embarrassed family & friends, all because their ego grew larger than their maturity. One lesson can be learned.....give a potential thug millions of dollars....you get what you paid for....GROW UP MV!!!
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Aimster8 on 5/26/2007 8:11:43 AM wrote:
I am very tired of "the famous" sports stars and other high profile persons never having to take responsibility for their actions. If this had happened to some "regular Joe", there would be no question that he would have criminal charges placed, be convicted , pay a fine and/or serve time. Michael Vick, Paris Hilton, etc. should face the same charges, convictions and punishments and serve time in the same facilities.
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cmacus on 5/26/2007 6:42:57 AM wrote:
poor mikey vick.i feel so sorry for him.everything bad that has happened to the boy was brought on by him or his "peeps".so i think it is time to grow up and be a man mikey.take responsibilty for your actions.
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