LouCards on 12/5/2006 8:30:02 AM wrote:
At least no one has stomped on any players this year. I am sure they will be on their best behavior for the bowl game just like they always are.
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ricflairfan on 10/28/2006 12:50:30 PM wrote:
does anyone care that these games hold up on traffic on the interstate...what if some emergency arrises and people can't get through!!!! If you want to go to these SILLY events, go the prior day...stay in hotels...whatever! just stop holding up people on the interstate!!! PLEASE!!!
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hamlett3b on 10/20/2006 4:59:48 PM wrote:
GaBoy let's not lie to ourselves now.
High School football is different everywhere, if you have played you understand that. Some kids can be complete studs and essentially "carry their team." I believe you understand what I'm saying, you don't have to use that direct quote against me.
If you followed VT football at all, you would understand that Tech has not, until recently, started to get blue chip recruits. Tech has been known to get the lower star guys and DEVELOP them into great players.
If you are a real UGA fan, then you understand that "Athens wasn't built in a day." UGA has a storied hisory. Tech is getting there and the blue chip guys are coming to Tech. Ask Mark Richt how "easy" it is to make 5 star guys team players. :)
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GeorgiaBoy on 10/20/2006 3:30:11 PM wrote:
TO: hamlett3b
RE: "You have to develop recruits with HUGE egos and turn them into TEAM players. That's extremely difficult." --hamlett3b
Hamlett3b, one would hope that by the time the 'huge ego' players arrive at college they have already learned some semblance of team play....most of them probably cut their teeth on football starting in Pop Warner league. But by going on your theory then Beamer should have been fired long ago....apparently he has not learned how to tame these egos and turn them into team players.
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ricflairfan on 10/20/2006 6:32:35 AM wrote:
awwwww...poor wittle coach...awwwwww
a person earing $800k annually should be fired for not keeping his "boys" on a short leash!!!
a break my tail end!!!!
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hamlett3b on 10/19/2006 11:19:57 PM wrote:
Hey guys Beamer is doing his best. In my opinion, college football coaching has to be one of the hardest jobs in the world. You have to develop recruits with HUGE egos and turn them into TEAM players. That's extremely difficult. Especially with a number of the young men not having father figures...even the ones with fathers - Beamer becomes their father figure when they are VT.I promise you with most, if not all of his recruits, he looks their parents in the eye and reassures them that HE will take care of their sons. Thats a heck of a lot of pressure folks. Every time a Marcus Vick, D.J. Walton, William Wall, or Joey Hall gets away, even though it's not his fault Beamer feels like in a way that he has failed. Let's give coach some credit!
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nrtIII on 10/18/2006 8:37:04 PM wrote:
Much has been posted about "somebody needs to do something". If you are waiting on VT to do something effective, forget it. When the Hokies take the field Sat, save for the Marching Virginians, a few dozen drunks and season ticket holders with no spine, they should enter an empty stadium. When football is no longer profitable at VT, administration will finally get the message. It's time for the Hokie faithful to put their foot down. Enough is enough. How many more chances do they need to prove they can clean-up their act. But maybe the band could learn to play "Sweet Caroline", I'm certain UVA's band will.
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ricflairfan on 10/18/2006 8:29:03 PM wrote:
you know something, i'm so sick and tired of all college football...not just tech. everytime one of these GAMES are played, driving on the interstate is so congested and these FANS are so rude to other people on the road. real men play rugby!!!!
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1950bing on 10/18/2006 5:46:06 PM wrote:
At the beginning of the year who would have thought that Tech's biggest game would be Southern Miss ? I'm not talking about what the score is at the end of the game, the Hokies have more to prove than the outcome of the game.Respect for who you are playing,respect for yourself and the coaches and respect for the fans and the sport. Frank said at the beginning of the year that the team would be " playing between the whistles. " What happened to that? So much is on the line this next game,win or loose. Get it together Hokies !!!
The fans know that you are better than what we have seen so far.Just play good clean football,that's all we want. The score will take care of itself.
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92VTAlum on 10/18/2006 4:04:30 PM wrote:
A Missed Opportunity:
VT hosting Norhteastern. First game of the year. Around 5 minutes to go in the first half. Chris Ellis makes a great tackle. Northeastern calls a timeout. Frank Beamer appears on the jumbo-tron to tell us about Hokie Respect. We've all seen the video, at least several times by now. In that very same moment we are wathcing the first Lane Stadium debut of this video. Mr. Ellis is 10-15 yards off the Northeastern sideline doing what? Those of us in the east stands know: taunting. Remind you, while Frank's talking about respect. Respect for yourself, your teammates, etc., etc.
I'm daydreaming now about how the season could be going, if Frank or Bud had done the right thing at that moment.
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salemboy on 10/18/2006 3:08:50 PM wrote:
After watching the BC/Tech game I admit I was disgusted and thought maybe the best thing the coaching staff could do was have a zero-tolerance policy. Tell the players at the beginning of the season that one arrest or flagrant foul means they're off the team.
But, it's not as easy as that, nor maybe just. We as fans are not dealing with a bunch of youth who are living in a charged atmosphere so we need to give the coaching staff some slack. If anything needs to be stressed to the players it is that the football program at Tech has been elevated to an elite (or almost elite) status and that actions on and off the field can damage that quickly. Prospective recruits may look
elsewhere. All concerned will not let that happen, I'm sure.
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rapidan on 10/18/2006 2:16:51 PM wrote:
My wife and I have graduate degrees from VT. We root for the "home team", but we are also realists. Simply put, the behavior exhibited during the second half of the game v. BC was abysmal. Kirk was right; apologists are wrong.
I called my 83 year old mother just prior to the game to remind her that it was on tv. She called me the next day and said, "That sure wasn't Hokie football...all that yelling at each other on the sidelines". My mother is a lot more objectively perceptive than the Shalala-Coker type Tech rooters. She realizes the lunch pail, the symbol of Tech football, has been dented--not by hard work and team effort, but by behavior that is considerably less than is expected of our home team.
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HOKIE63 on 10/18/2006 1:39:37 PM wrote:
Did Herb Kirkstreet expect to see the players congratulating themselves after having a wide open receiver score a touchdown? I would expect them to be discussing who blew the coverage - and I do believe the coverage was blown. Perhaps they could have discussed it in a more reserved manner over tea.
As far as the player dancing to the music - I have seen the player do the same when we were winning. So I don't see the problem. Should he hang his head, tighten up (choke?) or continue to do the things he does when we're winning. I don't think the dancing was showmanship when winning nor a show of indifference when behind. It was just a chance to show how to use the illustrator like Madden.
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hokie4 on 10/18/2006 11:35:01 AM wrote:
I HAVE KNOWN FRANK BEAMER FOR NEARLY 40 YEARS.WE WERE STUDENTS AT TECH AT THE SAME TIME.I HAVE FOLLOWED TECH FOR ALL THOSE YEARS.I JOINED THE HOKIE CLUB AND BECAME A CONTRIBUTOR IN 1976.TECH HAS COME A LONG WAY IN THOSE YEARS IN EVERY WAY.IF YOU ARE A TRUE SUPPORTER OF TECH YOU SHOULD BE PROUD OF WHAT HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED.THERE IS NO PERSON BETTER TO LEAD OUR FOOTBALL PROGRAM THAN FRANK AND YOU CAN BET HE WILL DO WHAT IS NEEDED TO GET BACK ON TRACK. LEE
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CoolJCPA on 10/18/2006 11:33:17 AM wrote:
I too am disturbed by the recent trend, but please do not say that Beamer needs to be more like Lou Holtz. Why don't you talk to the Minnesota, Arkansas, and South Carolina fans about Lou. That guy left those programs and soon after they were put on probation. So please never say Beamer should be more like Lou Holtz. The best account of his actions are published in the book "Under the Tarnished Dome" from Donald Looney and Don Yaeger.
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VTalum04 on 10/18/2006 7:46:34 AM wrote:
Well I guess now we will see Beamer's Zero tolerance policy in action now. I thought that he was cracking down at the begining of the season? did he stop? or was he diong it the entire time. I think he needs to make an example and sometimes you have to show some tuff love. The univeristy has a zero tolerance policy on usage of weed, but marcus got a pass along with tons of football players. there is policies in place, but beamer insists that he can fix it with some early morning running and a monetary fine. That didn't work. So I really am looking forward to seeing what this new zero tolerance policy. What is going to happen on the next personal foul. Is the player going to sit for the rest of the game and the next one or maybe a play or 2?
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misterj on 10/17/2006 9:57:22 PM wrote:
VTAlum04 - no he doesn't have a no tolerance policy. A no tolerance policy means you don't tolerate it. Under a no tolerance policy Chris Ellis and Josh Morgan and Josh Hyman would have already cleaned out their lockers. Harsh? Sure, but it would send a clear message what we are going to be about at VT and what we are not going to be about. That's what's needed right now. Its a matter of getting the right message delivered and sticking to your guns until the trouble makers are purged and we're all a happy family again. I would urge VT fans to understand this is a few bad apples and not the majority of our hard working athletes. Its good we speak our minds, but as friends and supporters of our great university.
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VTalum04 on 10/17/2006 9:24:22 PM wrote:
To: misterj Beamer already has a no tollerance policy. It worked for M. Vick and D. Hall and now C. Ellis. I think I'm ready for a different kind of no tollerance policy. He's been trying to clean up the program since Michael left, and he is still trying. He repeatedly tells us he is going to fix the problem, If I told my boss one thing and did another time after time. I think I would probably have to find another boss.
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misterj on 10/17/2006 8:21:44 PM wrote:
Looks like this has turned into a piling on forum for some non-Hokies. True Hokies would lobby for needed changes in a supportive way instead of the mindless bashing and piling on that's taking place here. Wouldn't Bill Brill be delighted with this! Sure Frank needs to change his approach but he is an honorable person who has tried to do it in his way and is discovering its just not enough. Until he has control of his team back, Frank needs to adopt a no tolerance policy for arrests,drinking and insubordinationon - one time and your gone and your scholarship goes to someone who is here to learn, work hard, play football, and have a good time. And Frank needs our support in doing it even if we lose a few games in the process.
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lrhindu on 10/17/2006 8:16:36 PM wrote:
I have been a faithful Hokie from beyond the Mississippi River for 30 years. I hope one day I can return to the most beautiful spot on God's green earth. However, I fear that when I return the Hokies I love will look more like Miami than the classy team from Blacksburg that I have been so proud.
Bench or suspend Ellis, and thugs wins are not worth the cost.
Michael Henderson, P.E.
Little Rock, Arkansas
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bobaleen on 10/17/2006 5:10:01 PM wrote:
I too noticed the body language of Mr. Ellis when he was being spoken to by Coach Beamer.
Having taught in public schools for 24 years I also could read the "message" in Mr. Ellis eyes. It said: I'm listening to you but I don't hear a word you are saying nor do I want to hear it. Basically his eyes said "I don't care".
I had wondered for the last couple of games where Mr. Wall was. Now we know. Perhaps more "cleaning house" is needed to bring their Hokie teammates back to respectful behavior.
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rburton63 on 10/17/2006 3:12:07 PM wrote:
Part 2-
A - If you want to see the principles of behaviour & action necessary to eliminate these incidents, read Lou Holtz' autobiography "Wins, Losses & Lessons"
B - These incidents aren't tolerated even in the NFL by principled, courageous coaches. Consider the incident where a Tennessee Titans player kicked an opponent while he was on the ground. Jeff Fisher immediately went out on the field & pulled the offender off & sat him.
Tech needs a new football coach to eliminate these incidents. They've been happening, maybe not to the same extent, since Frank's been there.
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rburton63 on 10/17/2006 3:04:24 PM wrote:
Unlike the writers of the letters that the RT published regarding the woeful condition of the football program @ VaTech I do know Frank Beamer personally. I know Frank as an intelligent, honorable, caring person of integrity. He brought the football program from obscurity to national prominence. However, the program today is out of control. Tech needs to build a monument to Frank in front of Burrus Hall & then hire a football coach with the leadership & courage qualities of a Lou Holtz, Jim Grobe or Jeff Fisher, all of whom have demonstrated that they can run a clean, winning program without such drreadful, embarrassing incidents.
Richard N. Burton '59
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VTalum04 on 10/17/2006 2:01:09 PM wrote:
With all the respect in the world. Tech isn't, cannot and will never be a ND or PSU. These teams are built around history, legacy, integrity and winning. Now Tech doesn't really have any of these. All teams have had thier own problems, PSU and ND. We only hear about the problems through our local news. Everyone else in the coutry is looking at the Miami incident. This doesn't even seem like news as far as the Times in concerend. but is much bigger than ours. Tech doesn't have the history that these teams have. Maybe you can be more selective of your players when you have that history? ND 13 National Champtionships. PSU 4 National Championships. Virginia Tech 0
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oleman on 10/17/2006 1:04:15 PM wrote:
I am a long time Hokie fan. My critisim is constructive. Here is what I think needs to be done; Take a look at Notre Dame and Penn State. They do nothing but play hard-nosed football. When they make a good play they walk away because the play was exactly what they were supposed to do. Play with dignity!
Play as a team! Cut out the celebration! And most of all do not talk to the press and quit reading the papers. Of course your number one priority to to study hard and graduate so that there is life after football. Show any player the door that does not aspire to that. Love the Hokies.
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GeorgiaBoy on 10/17/2006 12:39:29 PM wrote:
Can you imagine Foster being Head Coach? Just his glare alone could scare players straight. I think the Hokies thuggery etc could be dealt with better if Ol Frank would just grow a big ol set and knock some heads with them. Tech has worked hard to extend is rep beyond the Southeast U.S. as a top tier football team...when you hear other coaches or players talk about Tech they always reference Tech's special teams and defense. Sad now that they see Tech as another Miami.
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VTalum04 on 10/17/2006 12:31:14 PM wrote:
It would be interesting to see Beamer gets some pressure on his job. He has always have the alumni and the univ. bowing before him hoping and PAYING millions so he wouldn't leave. He gets a free pass and may kick off a few player or the university will kick them off. Beamer will take credit for cleaning up the team. And the next class of players will come in and have the same problems. Someone has to take responsibility. Who should that be? Maybe it shouldn't be Beamer? Maybe Weaver? Assistant coaches? Beamer definatly brings in a lot of money, or it seems like he does. maybe "Tech" brings in the money and beamer takes credit. If Foster were coach could he bring in money? Or should he take responsible for the actions of his players?
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GeorgiaBoy on 10/17/2006 12:17:19 PM wrote:
To Realistic: Bingo! it is about the $$$. However, after enough bad publicity even donors and wealthy alum start to close the check books. I am not sure about Beamer's job being in jeopardy since there is nothing in the press about his job status...but if he continues to play 'politician' instead of 'Coach' in dealing with his problem players he may be shown the door afer another incident or two.
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Realistic on 10/17/2006 12:09:01 PM wrote:
The sad thing is that college football(1A) is all about money. Coaches that have a bad season they get fired. I am sure that Beamer feels like he is between a rock and a hard place. If he suspends his cocky athletes he will lose.(by the way the cocky ones are the talented ones) This puts his job in Jeopardy.
The problem begins with why don't people think it is a CRIME TO PAY A COACH UPWARDS OF 4 TIMES WHAT A COLLEGE PRESIDENT MAKES!!!
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VTalum04 on 10/17/2006 11:48:50 AM wrote:
It seems like beamer has a no tolerance policy with non starters. It was confirmed that Wall was kicked off the team. How about eliminating the double standard and do the same for starters. He was reluctant to do anything to Marcus until the school made him do it. I know that Beamer invests a lot into players and wants to see them do well. Sometimes the best thing he can do is cut the strings and let him actually grow up a little. If Beamer eliminated the problems Tech would be down for a season or two, but beamer is used to taking players that aren’t highly recruited and making them into great college players. Lets get back to that philosophy.
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GeorgiaBoy on 10/17/2006 11:32:28 AM wrote:
"Player behavior at Tech
Talk about the behavior of Tech players at Boston College and previous games. How should the coaching staff handle it?"
Intertwined or not...there is another forum to discuss team strategy. This board is for the above referenced quote. Your posts are nothing more a tact to distract from the original issue this board was designed to discuss...are you one of those Hokie enablers? If your intent is not to add criticism or comments directly related to the board topic then go find the appropriate board to do so.
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VTalum04 on 10/17/2006 11:25:58 AM wrote:
GeorgiaBoy when you realize that all these problems are related, then the problems will begin to be solved. Players are getting frustrated with each other. Like the fight between Hall and Rouse. The defense gets off the field then comes right back on. No one likes losing and some of the players care and some don't. How about our own Michael Jackson, Mr. B. Hill who got caught dancing on the field. I thought I was watching a reality show. Everyone cares about themselves and not the team. I'm surprised we haven't had any more infighting than we have now. Beamer isn't in control of this team. The players on one side of the ball are battling the wrong people. The should have been going against BC not the Tech offense.
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GeorgiaBoy on 10/17/2006 11:10:00 AM wrote:
Hey VTalum04....you are on the wrong board...this board is discussing VT's behavior or lackthereof...go to the board regarding Tech's QB questions.
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VTalum04 on 10/17/2006 11:07:46 AM wrote:
In response to the QB. Glennon has been sub par with moments of greatness, but the O-line cannot block for him. I was told not to cram a square peg into a round hole. I would like to pass this advice onto Mr. Stinespring. If you can’t block for the QB at least put someone in that can run for his life. So go ahead and call Tyrod Taylor and let him know that we have our QB his name is Glennon. I’m surprised Stinespring doesn’t want Ike at QB then he could call his patented QB draw every other play like last year. Instead we will stick with Glennon and hope our defense can make up for all his turnovers and score enough points to win the game and get on them when they don't. The offense should score in beamerball, too.This week SHOULD be easy.
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VTalum04 on 10/17/2006 10:57:05 AM wrote:
In response to the RB. Tech has no depth at tail back. So Ore needs to sit so he doesn’t get hurt. If he gets hurt then he can’t play, If he doesn’t play then we don’t win. We can’t win because we don’t have any depth at tail back. About the dumbest argument I’ve ever heard. Tech is a creative offensive mind away from being a top team in the country.
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GeorgiaBoy on 10/17/2006 10:46:11 AM wrote:
Oh Boo-Hoo! Frank Beamer is 'disapointed' in his players behavior? Wake up Frank...how about 'disgusted', disturbed, angry, shocked', or any other stronger adjective than 'disapointed'. Heck, I am disapointed when I drop a hotdog off the grill into the coals. That's just the problem with Beamer, the Athletic Director, and the rest of the Hokie enablers; they don't see the players behavior as more than just an 'emotionally charged moment'. It's character you fools...something the coaching staff and administration are lacking in as well.
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Tater1 on 10/17/2006 10:40:25 AM wrote:
If we want to be a top 10 team we need top 10 players & coaches. It seems we have the players but the coaches don't seem to be there. It seems we are going backwards instead of forwards. There have been the same problems each of the last few years with the offense & it still get worse. When are the coaching going to realize we need an offense & defense?
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GeorgiaBoy on 10/17/2006 10:38:07 AM wrote:
Did anyone see Beamer's response yesterday in the paper when asked about Herbstreit's comments and some of his players behavior? Beamer responed like a politician...not like a coach. He has no control over his team...get rid of him...and some of those thug players as well. Aren't we glad that both VA Tech and Miami are in the same conference? Too bad these two schools, with decent winning percentages in the last few years, aren't in the 'same class' as other instituions.
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VTalum04 on 10/17/2006 10:33:56 AM wrote:
As a VT Alum.The fundamental problem with the Virginia Tech players starts at the top.I do not believe that these players have a bad character. Football players play on emiotion. This is NOT an excuse, only an explanation. If Beamer is serious about fixing the problem then Chris Ellis needs to be dismissed from the team. He is already a repeat offender. If Beamer is not serious about fixing the problem, then the school needs to get rid of Beamer. Shape the program you want from the top. At the Duke game all I can remember is Beamer on the big screen talking about respect and character as the Duke QB is being carted off the field when Aaron Rouse as flagged for yet another late hit. I thought that Beamer was going to fix the problem.
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mej215 on 10/17/2006 10:26:36 AM wrote:
In regards to bloomingboob's post, Virginia Tech IS nationally recognized for engineering, business, architecture and agriculture. In fact, as far as overall rankings go, Tech is ranked in the most recent edition of the annual US News "Best Colleges" report.
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bloomingboob on 10/17/2006 10:03:29 AM wrote:
I am not an alum of VT, but I am an alumni of a major university out west. VT has gotten to this point by emphasizing sports success over academic credentials. Take away the football team rankings away from the school, and how many people across the nation would recognize VT for their ag and engineering departments?? The purpose of higher education is, higher education; not playing sports and behaving like a thug. Let's get back to college for education's sake, and the sports problems will take care of themselves.
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mej215 on 10/17/2006 9:10:41 AM wrote:
I hope all that are griping about Tech football are willing to take a look around at the rest of college athletics and dig up all of the dirt they can on all of the other programs in the nation. What you will find is that the Tech coaches and administration have one of the most strict disciplinary programs in the nation. While I certainly do not condone the on-field or off-field actions of a couple of players, I think to categorically state that the entire football team is a group of selfish thugs is way off base. There are too many guys on the team that are doing things the right way. Just like everything else in life, you never hear about the good things - only the bad.
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contryhilbilly1 on 10/17/2006 8:58:39 AM wrote:
As a VT alumnus, I love VT and VT football. However with the players getting a free education and the possibility of a good job with great pay in the future, you would think they would be more considerate of what they are receiving, I had to pay for mine. Then with the qb of the team, I think he is a great west coast offensive qb, but we do not have a west coast offense, therefore I do think we need a more mobile qb with some kind of run threat, and what I have seen of Glennon, he has a hard time of getting out of his own way, much less getting away from the defense. I know we have been spoiled in the past, but I think we still have that threat on the team and we should be using what we have.
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quincy1775 on 10/17/2006 8:30:46 AM wrote:
As a VT alumnus, I'm ashamed of the behavior of several Tech players in the past 2 years. I think it's reprehensible that they are not appropriately punished for their on- and off-field antics. I don't see why they can commit multiple personal fouls, stomp on players, take cheap shots, and not be yanked from the game. I had my doubts about Beamer's control of the team confirmed last year against Louisville, when he let Marcus stay in the game after stomping Dumervill. That showed me that he seems to care more about winning that playing with character. I've hoped to see a turnaround since then, and I've yet yo see it. As much as I love to see VT win, I don't want to see them win or play like that, it stinks to say the least.
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hokieharry on 10/17/2006 8:27:59 AM wrote:
I'm all for better behavior by all athletes, starting with the pro teams down to your Tiny Mite leagues. But to pick out one player as Joe Kennedy did in a recent column as an example of how all VT athletes are is way overboard. For every bad example that gets highlighted on TV or in newspapers there are, I'm sure, many, many that are not. And they're the ones that need to be remembered.
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goapps71 on 10/17/2006 8:12:32 AM wrote:
As a graduate of Appalachian State University I am continually amazed with their football program. It is simply the barometer of IAA football. They appear to recruit decent football players with a lot of character. They are not big time football but lead the IAA nation in attendance.
Virginia Tech recruits great football players but a disproportionate number defines class as something to avoid at 8:10 a.m.
There is a sociological problem here and not so much as a coaching weakness. I believe most of it could be alleviated somewhat with one or two individuals on the team stepping up in leadership roles to say "Enough is enough."
I love Virginia Tech football. And I love the education my son received there. I am not a coach but I wish the current quarterback was quicker so the lineman would not have to be excellent and experienced blockers. He appears to be a liability with a strong arm.
Carroll
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bturner99 on 10/16/2006 11:56:24 PM wrote:
I knew one day the Hokies would get "too good" in their minds. They think they are invinsable, and they should be proven otherwise. If they are drinking and driving nearly double the legal limit, they should be removed PERMANENTLY from the team. No questions asked. Other bad behavior needs to be punished strictly and consistently across the team. And I'm not just picking on Tech...this should be implemented across all sports. Furthermore, what type of grades do these guys have? I think their report cards should be made public when they act up. As someone who had to pay my way through school (and still paying on it), it makes me angry when these guys are given a free ride, do as they wish and never get punished.
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1950bing on 10/16/2006 6:24:53 PM wrote:
Let's get ready for the THUG BOWL Nov.4
Please submit the players names and mug shots that got arrested prior to kickoff. Have all excuses for their actions on paper before game time. Let's all go to a fight and see if a football game breaks out !!!!
Extra police please.
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